11/26/2011

Enns and the Ditch

I posted this comment on Enn's latest. There's no guarantee it will make it past moderation:

~

“The problem is that, most trained, practicing, scientists have concluded that evolution is true.”

I read the story of the Ph.D. biologist on the Biologos site and he had almost no exposure to the details of evolutionary biology until doing some reading during his career. Just how many people are competent to engage the details of evolutionary biology? I’d be surprised if there are more than a few dozen. Limit it to human evolution and you’ve probably reduced that number further. Most of us with Ph.D.’s are frankly ignorant of most of the details even of our own fields beyond the narrow areas where we did some dissertation work.

What I do know is that there is an inescapable ditch between science and history. The only way to cross that ditch is to have some kind of philosophical or methodological framework for introducing confidence in an assumption of continuity. Only continuity moves from “accumulation of patina” to “this statue is actually old.” And continuity can’t be argued for rationally. This is the basic thrust of Hume’s argument.

Now, I admit this makes those of us who reject human evolution look like the equivalent of conspiracy theorists, the great bugbear of my field where conspiracy historiography is not respected. And I’m sorry that’s the case, but sometimes looking like a nut is unavoidable. The Apostle Paul said X was important and he argued for it on the basis of Y. I don’t see how we can accept X and reject the apostolic case for X, that is, Y. You’re willing to look like a nut to believe discontinuous things in the first century A.D., but not things in the time we want to assign to the miracles of Genesis. Your “miracle filter” is as ad hoc as anything you find in your critics.

Engagement with the details seems important to the questions you’ve been talking about if the details will help us cross that ditch. Follow the scientific details as far as they will take you and you will never, ever penetrate the historical question. Your arbitrariness in labeling miracles and expecting the uniformity of nature here and not there should trouble you.

~ Update: Enns responded:

"You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but I disagree with you in virtually every sentence of your post."

~

Pretty disappointing. Am I just crazy or are my objections not the very ones with which his theory needs to do business? I've set out my strongest response and he considers it an "opinion"?

12:22:00 PM :: permalink :: discuss ::






tidbits (RSS)

What's in the center of a baseball? You're Welcome. » 02/18/2012


RIP, Wynn Kenyon. A real Jackson, MS institution. » 02/15/2012


Interesting archaeological site: Gobekli Tepe » 02/13/2012


CSPAN's coverage of the national prayer breakfast. » 02/08/2012


Interesting: Obama's encounter with Metaxas » 02/08/2012


Interesting that the WSC faculty is saying that all of Frame's points about their theology are inaccurate. Is that really possible? » 02/07/2012


Cool fake icy stream in Netherlands » 02/05/2012


Had this awesome book as a kid: Kid's Whole Future Catalog » 02/04/2012


Alarming info about the cultural divide in the US from Charles Murray. » 01/25/2012


Lori S has a really balanced approach to that guy with the religion/Jesus video. » 01/23/2012


Well written: To the Mother of Only One Child (the author has nine, and she isn't being snarky, I promise, it is an encouraging piece for mothers of all numbers of children) » 01/21/2012


interesting: how monogamy changed the world » 01/13/2012


Fascinating: the Chauvet Cave » 01/02/2012


I have a lot of mixed feelings about this article at Cardus. » 12/17/2011


Digital Humanities: Scanner sees more in ancient documents » 12/07/2011


Jakob Nielsen assesses the usability of the new Kindle Fire » 12/06/2011


Weezer covers Pumped Up Kicks » 12/02/2011


While there is no such thing as chafafa on the side, there really is shoo-fly pie and it is wonderful. » 12/02/2011


Cool: susan kare, the artist who created the early mac icons » 11/26/2011


wow: awesome plesiosaur fossil » 11/26/2011



amazon wishlist

amazing people i know now

annie road to raeanna tifani d'arcy abby e. jennifer h. april p. jessie s. jandy s. joshua a. mark h. jeff m. bobber w. george e.

people i know from childhood

alan c.

news links

europac cnet news drudge report ny times wall st. journal frontline new madrid fault race in america

other blogs

the sartorialist built st. louis blane carrifex textism kyriosity lollardy sacra doctrina leithart hoguester amy loves books jeremy huggins ck rick and rachel witts gideon strauss 43 folders janely matt smith miner dawn eden the dane mmorgan folding a map flickr phil sintiere common grounds coudal josiah barb mystery + misery d kirk a crouch bledsoe b wilder pduggie alastair take joy muggle matters baird college girl huggins's photos writers read covenant worldwide design observer mcknight a bradley per caritatem babbler rustyfish sweet and sour banty rooster tolle blogge trinitarian life

art

howard finster jerry brown m. f. robinson jeanne goodman dick blick anthony ross ron mueck pinhole photography stencils del carmen lartique flw house in STL klimt allergies hambone david bryce bryan cunningham chris jordan lensbabies galifianakis ann wood julian beever tobyweiss tom wegrzynowski cool stationery

science

sanford real climate rtb vaccine awakening

music

beanland wilco jay farrar paul westerberg frank black the connells throwing muses liam lynch vanderslice peter adams christopher faizi

weird things

death in the woods

gift ideas

raven maps Scharffenberger Chocolate Gourmet Coffee - Kuva Coffee Etsy (Handmade Goods) heath ceramics am sci and surplus leeners soorikian furniture inmod christian books and bibles

mac stuff

marc liyanage sidenote

research tools

systran pocket mod ivr resource ADL STL Dev Corp greek bible nt greek audio jonathan edwards online

churches

providence church denver beal heights lodo movie cornerstone presbyterian church - St. Louis Missouri iscc saint andrew's, santa clarita CA

business items

negotiated construction project leads price improvement team Web Design St. Louis

quotes i don't want to forget

"I have read in Plato and Cicero sayings that are wise and very beautiful; but I have never read in either of them: Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden." -Saint Augustine

"Basically, I'm not interested in doing research and I never have been ... I'm interested in understanding, which is quite a different thing. And often to understand something you have to work it out yourself because no one else has done it." -David Blackwell